Phil: One of the big problems that new grads and actually people who are seasoned clinicians have is that they struggle because they can't get everybody better or they just aren't sure of themselves.  Is there a time in your career where it kind of shifted for you, where you kind of went, maybe I don't have to be perfect?

Jenna:  Yes! I have an answer for this. And I have an answer for this because it's something that even when I get stuck today, I still think about. It still comes to mind.  This was really early in my career, actually, and I was still trying to kind of figure out what I need to do and how I should treat patients.  And I was still nervous every single day that I went into the clinic.  And I remember getting a referral from a doctor, and it said, "Request to see Jenna Gourlay."  And it was a patient with ankle pain, a young dancer.  And one of the doctors had referred her specifically to me.  And I was so excited because I was...